More Thoughts on Gay Marriage

(originally published on LiveJournal)
livejournal10One of my aunts sent me another email message today, saying that I got it wrong, because God is right, so she is right. She went on to use scripture to condemn homosexuality, and completely ignored the facts that I sent to refute her claims. So, I went blunt with:
Jesus was all-inclusive. Jesus wouldn’t condone discrimination, and you are.
You took common myths and offensive stereotypes and put them in an email message without any sources. I spent 3 hours looking to affirm or deny those statements, and there weren’t ANY affirmations. I found hard data, you didn’t. The fact is, “Do unto others” is the greatest commandment. Affirming love between two people also affirms that commandment.
I probably could have toned it down a bit. The whole, ” I found hard data, you didn’t” bit is mean. She just ignored all of the real information because I shot it down, so she used the Bible, which I had already said – multiple times – is often abused. I just get so upset when people use the Bible to condone and defend discriminatory practices. The Bible is one of the reasons why slavery existed for so long. It’s one reason why women were considered their husbands’ properties, and why there are still people who believe that non-white people are inferior. Frankly, if you think God outlaws homosexuality, then you have to admit that scripture condones slavery, incest, polygamy, sexism, and racism. To take the Old Testament, and quote portions of it, without considering all of its parts, that’s hypocritical.

That’s another reason this bothers me – the hypocrisy. The Bible is a living document, a bit like the Constitution. What it says often depends on the time and place of the people who read it. But people always take what they want and leave the rest. Which is fine from a scholarly standpoint, or even from a “this is how I’m going to live my life” standpoint.  But when you start applying that randomness to deny the rights of others, or to judge others, that’s where the hypocrisy starts.

I like some of the Bible, from a spiritual perspective. But the more I learned, the more I decided that I’d work with what Jesus said and did. The rest of the Bible is nice, but the Gospels are, well, gospel. (Of course, their writers were also writing for a time and place. I have yet to read all of the Gospels, thanks to the early Church picking four of the many that existed. Funny how they never mentioned that in Catholic school.) So, What Would Jesus Do? is the main question I ask when it comes to deciding right and wrong.

Of course, I also could have pointed out, that it doesn’t matter what anyone’s interpretation of scripture is. In America, we decided that the “separation of church and state” was a good idea.


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Oct. 7th, 2008 01:18 pm (UTC)
Read this article wonder what your Aunt would think of it? I think the meaning of the bible has been skewed many times over the years. People twist the words around to mean what they want it to mean. The fact that it was written in many languages over centuries makes it even harder. For instance the King James Version is in a lot of old English that people don’t even speak anymore an only very few people know the meaning of all the words so it’s easy to take the KJV Bible and make it say what you want it to.

I went to church most of my life. I haven’t been so much in my adult years because I’m not really sure where I stand. I still believe in God and the bible, but I don’t take the bible for word.


Oct. 7th, 2008 01:40 pm (UTC)
I don’t know why you bothered in the first place. You assume that they’re operating from the premise that “the Bible says fags are bad, and therefore I must agree with that” when in fact they’re operating from the premise, “I hate fags” and will grasp at any tenuous piece of evidence in support of that, and ignore the mountains of evidence to the contrary.You will never change their minds with evidence.

The only way you can change their mind… the long, difficult, and frustrating way, but ultimately the only successful way, is to live your life as an example to others, with compassion and tolerance.

And still it might not work, but it’s the only thing that could.


Oct. 7th, 2008 02:33 pm (UTC)
Sadly, Robyn, he’s right.
This woman is using the Bible as a reason for her to look down on gay people.
The Bible is merely a tool, not her primary source of information.People have been using the Bible to defend reprehensible human behavior since the Bible existed.
It will continue until the stars turn cold.

Edited at 2008-10-07 02:34 pm (UTC)


Oct. 7th, 2008 06:19 pm (UTC)
I totally agree with you, which is why I unleashed my anger. It comes down to: if she believes that the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, then she must believe that my son is inferior. I’m not letting her pick and choose.


Oct. 7th, 2008 06:31 pm (UTC)
I want to live my life as an example, and I don’t want to hide my beliefs, which is part of why I included the “no on 8” phrase in the update email in the first place.


Oct. 7th, 2008 06:23 pm (UTC)
Re: Some more hard facts for you.
Thanks! I was going to dig this up before. I just … I don’t want to argue scripture with her because it’s pointless. She won’t understand that. But, it’s good to have this for when she emails me again with something even more insulting.
I have read a book about “Q”, can’t remember which. I want to read the Gnostic gospels. I’ve read one book about the Gnostic gospels, by Elaine Pagels (sp?). I’ve never heard of the Epistle of Pilate. I’ll print that out and bring it to the library with me – the list, not the Epistle.


Oct. 10th, 2008 05:16 am (UTC)
Re: Some more hard facts for you.
Wow. Thank you!

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